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Atheists, do you really think that Christianity is the foundation for modern American conservatism?

OK, I'm obviously not Christian. I'll outline common reasons for being conservative, NONE of which have anything to do with religion: 1. Anti-white racism and discrimination. I'm white (European descent), and will not support modern liberalism's hate-the-white-man mentality. Affirmative Action, racial preferences in most workplaces that favor non-whites, special advantages for minority owned businesses, and the list goes on and on. Furthermore, the most numerous and most common form of inter-racial violence is black on white. Yes, I know about the white racism of the past, but I won't apologize for what someone else's ancestors did before I was born. 2. Social conservatism - I believe in sexual morality, family values, and disciplining children. This has NOTHING to do with religion. Even if you could prove to me that God doesn't exist, it still doesn't mean that I'll embrace the decay of our society. 3. $$$ - Working people don't want their tax dollars going to support illegal immigrants, people that live on welfare, ghetto queens, etc. 4. Illegal immigration - Do you expect someone to say "Gosh, many parts of the Bible has been disproven. I guess we should let America be overrun by 3rd worlders."? Illegals are screwing the American working class over BIG TIME, along with the tax payers that have to support many of them. Blacks and Hispanics are much more religious about their Christianity than whites are, yet most of them are liberal Democrats. Why? Because the libs give them welfare, special advantages, justification for commiting violent crimes against whites, and much more. So please, get off the "We hate Christianity because it's keeping us from our liberal Marxist utopia" BS. Most of you sound like upper middle class young white college kids that haven't tasted some of the things that I outlined above. You will as you get out into the real world. AND, when you wake up and become conservative, religion won't have a flippin' thing to do with it. This is a serious question, and I'm wondering how you'll respond. Don't give me anti-Bible stuff, or parrot what you're sociology teachers "taught" you.

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I don't. I think capitalism is. The problem is that they Christians have managed to attach a lot of their moral ideas on to it.
NO... they both share a common ancestor in FEAR. Fear of the future, fear of progress, fear of being blamed, fear of death and dying, fear of losing their wealth, fear of having to make sacrifices for the common good, fear of other people, fear of change... Fear of the unknown. Whether you are a conservative, a religious ignoramous, or have recently had a lobotomy... you do all realize that you people are all cowards... you share a common ancestor in Homo archaius cowardus.
Atheism is the non-belief in god(s). It is nothing more than that. My grandmother's 86, and she's been a liberal all her life. People don't reach a certain age and suddenly become conservatives, and conservativism isn't the only way of doing things, or necessarily the best way.
I once told someone that even if I suddenly, illogically, believed God didn't exist, I wouldn't leave the Catholic Church becaue I agree with them on everything, even without God. They were disgusted.
Most of the believers I know are democrats. I live in the bible belt.
Somewhat. But not really.
What you said is common sense. 1. Racism is racism - either against blacks or whites. 2. Family values leads to a stable society. 3 + 4. The government needs to learn to stop people from abusing the system. Welfare should be a temporary crutch, not a only solution. And they should also fix how immigrants get into the country. I am for allowing immigrants to come in - but I think there should be contributing too and paid like citizens. But I do not see much connection with Christianity except point 2. And the paragraph after point 4 contradicts your question and apparent assertions. And I'm out of college and still lean left. It's better to care about the well being of others - even the ones you don't know or understand.
"Blacks and Hispanics are much more religious about their Christianity than whites are, yet most of them are liberal Democrats. " And how exactly do you know this? Do you have a source or are you playing the 'assumption' game?
Nope, it's just a way to really expose the truth about imaginary deities.
Are you an Atheist? Well I am going to prove to you that you are not an Atheist in its true sense. You may think that this is a rather arrogant thing to say, but if you bear with me you will see that the logic in this statement is irrefutable. First of all I want to define 3 different stances that people have about the existance of God. Believer: A person who believes in the existance of God. Agnostic: A person who isn't sure whether God exists or not. Atheist: A person who doesn't believe in the existance of God. If I were to say that there was no such thing as gold in China, then to prove my statement, I would have to search every square inch of that country in order to confidently say there was no gold. I would also have to search every person to make sure that there were no gold fillings and search every aeroplane in Chinese airspace. Such a mammoth task would be near impossible but would be necessary in order to prove my statement. Now lets look at the amount knowledge that a human being can possess. It is obvious that even the smartest person who has ever lived couldn't possess even 1% of all the knowledge in existance. But lets imagine that there existed an Atheist who possessed 1% of all the knowledge in existance. This is of course a huge exaggeration, but for the sake of this argument lets say that someone did possess this amount of knowledge. If this person was honest, they would have to admit that the other 99% of knowledge that they didn't possess could have the evidence that proves God's existance. So as you can see from this very simple example, it is impossible to absolutely state that there is no God. Now back to the example. If I found gold in the tooth of one Chinese citizen, then I could truthfully say that there is gold in China even if that amount of Gold was very small. To conclude: If you claim to be an Atheist, then with respect I say to you that you are actually and Agnostic in the true sense, although I can respect that you may have chosen not believe in God without proof and in that sense you have chosen to be an Atheist, but your claim to be an atheist is not a scientific one, rather a belief or religion. To say that there is no God requires absolute knowledge. Knowledge of not only our 4 known and understood dimensions but all the higher dimensions as well and that would be impossible for a 3 dimensional creature such as yourself. However, If you had absolute knowledge then yes God would exist, because you would be God. On the other hand, to say that there is a God only requires personal experience or an understanding that the design in creation warrants a designer. But ultimately there really can only be 2 types of people, believers and agnostics. Those who have seen first hand or can see evidence that gold exists in China and those who believe that gold doesn't exist in China, but can never really be sure that this is so.
No I don't, in fact, one of the greatest anti-religious tirades in modern American political history was given by a hero of the conservative movement, Barry Goldwater. It was inspirational to here him rip the Christian lobbyists a new a hole. However, while it isn't the "foundation" for American political conservatism, it has infested that political movement, thanks largely to Karl Rove. Now, your political opinion listed above is laced with the menacing overtones of ignorance. Do you really which to propose that we liberals want our tax dollars going up for "illegal immigrants", or "ghetto queens" (whatever the h e l l that is). It is the Republicans who lowered taxes on the rich, and indirectly forced an increase on the working class. Liberals want to keep worker's taxes low, and rich people who can afford the tax increases to pay a little more since America's been so good to them. The problem with legislating "morality" albeit sexual or not, is that your opinion of morality isn't mine. The government shouldn't tell me whether I have oral sex; or whether it should be with a man or woman (i don't suppose you support that anyway). Your sex life is your business, not mine, and shouldn't be a political topic. Also, your "white liberal guilt" theory is another non-issue, undoubtadly promulgated in your mind by conservative talk radio. So, while your first point is valid, your take on politics is as apt as your knowledge of the dark side of the moon.
While Christianity might not be the foundation of American Conservatism it certainly is a powerful tool used by the right wingers. For you information the American concept is built upon liberalism. The common man is to be given the power to lead. The common man is to be able to control their finances (this is a liberal concept). The common man is able to rise beyond the social status in which they were born. These are liberal concepts. When you conservatives attack liberalism you are in fact attacking the very foundation upon which the founding fathers built this nation. Taking care of our fellow man is a social responsibility and to attack this ethical duty is disgraceful.
The first sentence of your first point destroyed any credibility you might otherwise have had. The question is partisan rhetoric and not particularly well thought out.
If what you outlined is being conservative, I promise to never become one of you hypocrites. But, you did do a thorough job of listing the negative traits of an atheist; and I promise to never become one of them, too. And it appears that being biased is being conservatives and atheists, too; and I guarantee you that I will never become biased, too. Thank you, God? In the name of you Son, Jesus Christ my Savior, I promise to be a Christian. And for your information, Marxist liberalism ended shortly after the fall of the Iron Curtain and the Berlin Wall. You are just prejudiced and you have not really gone out in the world to meet the other kinds of wonderful people, each with their own unique qualities and dislikes for people like you.
1 - Idiocy on your part pure and simple liberalism is the ultimate in conservatism . . 2 - Atheism is one of the things that reinforces society and you will find if you check the stats that atheists are less likely to go to prison or divorce , have a teenage pregnancy or an STD that a christian 3 - So called conservatives have been in support of legalizing the status and giving tax dollar funded benefits to Illegal immigrants . 4 - Most illegals are not educated and very superstitious . They also vote for whoever offers them the BBD . RE # 1 - Conservatives are the ones trying to change the rules in order to take freedom from others and force their way of life on others . The Constitution has a definition for that action and it is treason . RE # 4 - Most of the people I know of who use illegal labor are republicans and " good Christians " .
Though many religions claim to be quite modern but non is and therefore,support norms which have more or less lost relevance or appropriateness with reference to Time.Therefore,a certain degree of conservatism is inbuilt in all religions including Christianity.Since the oldest thing Americans believe is their religion,it has a link with their conservatism though how far as a foundation,is not clear.Just think.Can a person claim to be an atheist or a non believer and become a president of America or even aspire for any important public office in that country,in spite of being most qualified and suitable for it?NO way.Why?
I have little clue about what you're spewing. True some atheists tend to be "liberal" on some policies and some are truly liberal. Others. like me, are conservative in approach. Edit: I don't know any atheists that are Marxist. Many of us dislike Christianity, not because of its assumed political stance, but because of its effects on society, legislation and eduction.
You have a lot in common with many non-religious conservatives. Unfortunately, people that feel strongly as you do are not a large enough fraction of the population to win national office very often. Then, along came Karl Rove to the rescue. Rove had the brilliant idea that if the conservatives could somehow persuade another block of voters to vote with conservatives, even when the actual policies actually work against that block, they could win elections. The only problem was what block of voters would be so uniformly gullible to swallow political slogans they wanted to hear and never check if the policies worked for them or against them. They would have to be very gullible. Hmmm. What block of voters might that be? They would have to be used to following leaders who made grandiose claims, routinely, but were never expected to actually demonstrate that anything they said had any validity. Then it came to him. The fundamentalist religion block. They could be promised almost anything and if you posed the claim as a battle between good and evil, you would have them for life, regardless of what you actually ever did or did not do for them. They were steeped in this sort of con game they took part in, every Sunday. Promise them to end abortion, but never actually deliver on that promise (or you would have to come up with an other issue to bind them to the party). Rail against gays as if you intended to somehow put an end to their "sinful" practices, but never do anything about that, either. And you grab a block of voters for life. You just have to put up with their incessant preaching. But you really don't have to do anything for them, ever. And with that stratagem, the Republican party, earlier transformed from the party of Lincoln, who put an end to slavery, by the addition to their ranks of racist southern Democrats that jumped ship after Johnson's civil rights successes (but lost many moderates), added fundamentalist Christians to their rolls and won national several elections from Ronald Regan to G.W. Bush. The kids of the fundamentalists are finally beginning to see that their parents have been suckered and are now looking for other champions. But I don't think the conservatives have totally given up on their support, yet. You will know this has happened when they start courting some other gullible group. So stop complaining, it is strategy that got you at least a few presidents even though they also didn't do anything for you, either. You see, you are a member of an even earlier block of suckers. The ones promised small government and balanced budgets and no reverse racism. But the leaders of the so called conservative party worship only money. Big money. How many billions do you own? But, hey, they got to get elected somehow if they are going to empty the treasury into their own accounts. Feel better now? -- Regards, John Popelish
I think you are trying to say that atheists can be as socially and culturally uptight as the religious right in America. However, atheism is simply a belief that no god exists and one must use rational thinking to come to this conclusion. It has nothing to do with conservationism or liberalism. I think that often time, atheists use this logical thinking that not only applies to religion, but also to everything else they come into contract with. To note, I am a centrist atheist, leaning towards conservative in the traditional, not modern sense, of the word. When I was religious, I was also much younger and took on my parents views of right-wing conservatism (Fox News, Savage, etc.) Also, your tone is a bit bitter, but obviously you have lived much more than I, a lower- middle class, white college student using scholarships and paid internships to get through college (because I am ignorant). To answer you: 1. Affirmative action was important, but like many things, it should have been a case-by-case decision. Where I live, many black people are still at a disadvantage because education is not valued and many students cannot afford college. This is extremely important because there are people who can rise above their upbringing and excel in school, but only if they get money from scholarships. 2. You're making the assumption that atheists become loose, wild beast when they rationally choose to not believe in god. I find that it is the other way around and they are usually the more stable in comparison to my experience with Christians. 3. When you get laid off because your job is firing 40,000 blue collar workers, you and the other 39,999 employees are just SOL because the government should not support lazy people on unemployment. Yes, there are people who take advantage of government programs. Yes, it needs to be fixed. However, there are people with legitimate needs, and if you don't want the government taking care of people, you should time travel to when FDR was elected and told him to not do that. It is here to stay, so we must deal with it the best we can and reform it. 4. Illegals pay taxes (which are automatically taken out of their wages) which they cannot benefit from. Now who is getting screwed over? The US's immigration policy needs to be fixed. There is no way we can or should deport all illegals or keep them out, so something has to change. I don't believe in a liberal Marxists utopia, but I am more realistic about our national dilemmas. Seriously, though, you sound like you listen to a lot of Limbaugh. It's okay to have your own opinions.