Hi, I'm hoping we can chat...I need just a tiny bit of help. Chatting will be easier. I'm building a little bs website for a school project. So yes, i'm a beginer but not a total rock, hehe, at least i hope not. I've gotten all my images up, most of it looks perfect except for some pesky BULLETS. thats really all i need help with, how to get rid of them. I've done text-indent: -9999px; and list-style-type: none; to no avail. They're still sprinkled about my page. I need it compatible in both firefox and explorer. Can you help me out, please/thanks! not allowed to use <br/>... please hit me up on chat http://www.leslie317.com/peskybullets.gif wait 3 secs and you should be able to compare explorer and fire fox. Thanks for you help so far but I'm not allowed to use <br/> 's and i've tried the list-style-type: none; #sidebar { width: 350px; height: 600px; display: block; float: left; list-style-type: none; text-align: left; text-indent: -9999px; } #sidebar ul li a { width: 350px; display: block; float: left; list-style-type: none; padding: 5px 0 0 0; } I.M. me, i don't think i'm allowed to edit my question twice. not allowed to use <br/>... please hit me up on chat http://www.leslie317.com/peskybullets.gif wait 3 secs and you should be able to compare explorer and fire fox. Thanks for you help so far but I'm not allowed to use <br/> 's and i've tried the list-style-type: none; #sidebar { width: 350px; height: 600px; display: block; float: left; list-style-type: none; text-align: left; text-indent: -9999px; } #sidebar ul li a { width: 350px; display: block; float: left; list-style-type: none; padding: 5px 0 0 0; } I.M. me, i don't think i'm allowed to edit my question twice. lpj_317 at yahoo