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Liberals, do you agree with this statement?

I had a liberal tell me, "If companies would pay people what they are worth than we wouldn't need an intrusive Government or welfare" If so, who dictates what someone is worth? You, the government, the employer or the employee? I cant figure you guys out. You bitch and moan when a hamburger flipper makes 15,000 a year, than you'll bitch when that same hamburger flipper becomes a franchise owner and makes 500,000 a year. To top that off, you'll bitch that when the hamburger flipper gets paid what you think is *fair* and the hamburger prices have gone up from $3 to $5 in order to pay that person. You'll complain how you can't buy as many hamburgers so you go to your employer and cry foul. So who dictates what someone is worth? I say it is the employee who dictates what he is worth. Nobody tells you that you must stay at your job if you don't make what you want. If you want more you must grow yourself and make yourself more valuable to the company you want to work for. Or, start up your own business. David, You seriously think the constitution allows for people to tell a *private business* what they should do with Their (private property) money? Never once did I dictate what a person should make. I said if that person does not feel they make enough than it is in their hands to dictate what they make. You have a choice to tell your employer you want more or you will walk and work for the competition. Simple as that. Now where did I dictate, david?

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1. You're overly simplistic in what you think 'liberals' think and how easy it is to access to economic opportunity in the US. A person going from fryer to franchise owner is called an outlier, it's not called the norm. And it should be the norm.
2. The government is the last entity that should decide anything in the private sector.
3. So if one liberal says something you think that all liberals agree with his statement? Then I guess all conservatives are exactly the same too. The person you talked to is wrong. What happens when the employee gets hurt and can't work anymore? What if the employee is trained surgeon or a janitor - which do you pay more? It is a lot more complicated than any simple answer can give us.
4. How much are you worth? two cents?
5. When a person accepts no fault then there's no point in arguing. Better show him/her how it's done. After all, profits will go to your pocket.
6. I does
7. I'm a Conservative and agree with what you say. But I also disagree with CEO's and boards of directors voting themselves million dollar bonuses when their companies have lost money. Or the president of Home Depot that lost his company millions and was fired with millions as a gift. I don't know how to make it a required thing that bonuses and raises for the top twenty money makers in any company must have it approved by the shareholders.
8. Our country was built on slavery and we still have a slave mentality when it comes to labor. What you're liberal friend was saying is that capitalism isn't democratic and that government is needed to make capitalism more democratic. Capitalism is all about explotation of resources, including labor. Government is all about putting a check on people exploiting each other. Life is about balance. We need both economic and political freedom and government to make sure individuals and groups don't abuse the system.
9. That's why they have illegal aliens mow their grass, clean their houses, & sit their kids...
10. What you're saying is tantamount to blaming a man because his girlfriend left him. It's like going up to him and saying, "well, you should have made yourself more valuable to her". There is a group of women who operate on this premise, and they're called prostitutes. Therefore, workers who to try to "make themselves more valuable to the company" are no different from a prostitute in this respect. You seem to have a problem with 3rd parties dictating what a laborer should be paid, but isn't that what you're doing? You're sitting there telling us that we shouldn't be paid any more than we already make. That makes YOU the dictator you claim you don't want. If you really want the workers to determine how much they should be paid (as you claim) then you shouldn't have a problem if they wish to go about it Constitutionally by petitioning the Congress to legislate higher pay.